Bolt Upright – Gazelle Toer Populair 2011 Review:

Gazelle Toer Populair 2011 model 8-speed.

I have not seen many reviews of the Gazelle Toer Populair, therefore, having now owned this bicycle for 8 months or so, I feel that it’s time to offer my humble opinion. While Gazelle also manufactures a range of modern commuter bikes, this model is a throwback to their Dutch roadster history albeit one that is fitted with contemporary Shimano running gear. It offers old style frame geometry and a relaxed ride along with more modern features including 8 speed hub transmission. There is also a 3-speed version with rod brake style levers and traditional upright kick stand, both versions being available in loop and diamond frames. I chose the 8-speed as I live in a small hilly area in eastern Australia that is surrounded by flatter land and have to face steepish climbs at both the beginning and end of any ride to or from home.

So, what type of rider is suited to this bike?  Well, the person who is not in a hurry to arrive, who wants a relaxed ride with traditional nostalgic styling, a stylish bike to ride while wearing normal clothes, or who desires something a little bit different to the racer, comfort or MTB styles that are so prevalent in the bike shops and on the roads here, and without having to recondition or buy a restored older bike.

If  you want to race friends, climb and descend steep mountains, project a sporty image or merely blend in with the crowd, then this bike may not be for you, or at least it may not be your only bike.  I would add however, that I didn’t buy this bicycle as a fashion accessory or to be noticed – in fact I quite enjoy riding it on my own, alone in the moment, of not being self-conscious but merely lost in time on a cycle path or back-street to nowhere-in-particular,  as I also do with my older restored bikes.

Gazelle with restored Malvern Star

My bike has a 57cm steel diamond frame, which is the size recommended by Gazelle for a person of my height ( at 5’10 & 1/2″) It is fitted with a fixed chromed steel handlebar, welded to a height adjustable quill stem. The only thing I have changed steering-wise are the hand grips, as I lost confidence in the ability of the padded leather originals – and their stitching – to stay in place.

The standard padded leather grips

I have finally settled on the rock-solid Brooks leather washer grips, and though they require gloves in very cold weather due to the metal end caps, I am really happy with them. These grips come in a kit that allows a choice of two grip lengths, one of which is ideal for the short Nexus right hand twist grip.

Brooks leather washer grips - excellent !

A Brooks B67 “aged” leather sprung saddle is fitted as standard. The head tube and forks are traditionally lugged while the bottom bracket and half the top tube to seat tube joints are fairly neatly welded, without the huge scars that are sometimes seen proudly displayed on new alloy framed bikes.

The welded bottom bracket showing the lower end of the fitted pump

Brooks sprung B67 is standard

With its raked fork and seat tube angles and the swept back bars, the ride is laid back to say the least ! It is actually easier for me to lean back than lean forward and this gives a great view of surroundings. Standing up on the pedals can be done briefly if one must, though this is not encouraged by the sit-up-and-beg ergonomics!  On my favourite cycle path whilst I see many road cyclists crouching down and focussing dead ahead, I tend to be half looking over the guard rails to the bush landscape beyond, listening to bird calls and taking in the scenery. The handlebars form a neat cockpit into which the knees nestle, however I find that ( only ) in tight, slow turns this can also be a problem – the turning circle is then very limited and it becomes necessary to either “hang” the knee out past the bar end ( not very dignified but it works ), press the trapped leg hard against the top tube to allow more turn angle, or stop pedalling completely while keeping the inside leg extended through the turn ( not useful uphill ) !   You get somewhat used to it, and this should not occur on the loop frame models, as the bars on these seem relatively higher above the knee level.

Swept back handle bars

The ride position and massive 8 speed gear hub also give a heavy rearward weight bias, so when leaning into faster corners I like to shift my weight forward a little to give the front wheel extra grip. The light steering also takes a while to get used to and is apparently a characteristic of upright Dutch bikes. The effect can be reduced by holding the grips more toward their forward ends. The bike rolls along beautifully on the flat, with only major headwinds and hills slowing its gliding nature. On gentler terrain it feels effortless in spite of its considerable weight and the relaxed angles of the frame and forks along with the sprung saddle plus large wheels and tyres provide the springiness to absorb smaller bumps easily. It is also quicker travelling over longer distances than one might think because of this tireless “press-on-steadily” type of comfort. The farthest I have so far travelled on it is about 80kms ( 50miles ) with short breaks, in around half a day. I have had tired legs and backside on longer rides but never sore arms or wrists with this bike.

Touring to Newcastle Beach

The roller ( hub ) brakes are consistent and very progressive, much softer in feel than rim brakes. Ideal for wet weather, they require a greater stopping distance in the dry than say, V-brakes, as well as a much stronger squeeze to pull you up quickly. There are cooling finned versions of these to cope with heavy use on some other Gazelles, but I haven’t had any fade problems with the standard ones.

Front Shimano roller brake and hub dynamo

The gearing range is good, perhaps a little high overall, if anything. I like to pedal fairly quickly and find 5th and 6th generally sufficient on flat terrain. First is low but nowhere near as low as a 3 ring front derailleur can manage, it’s much lower than my geared down 3-speed, though I do have to push it up the very steepest hills where I live. 7th and 8th are great for downhills or strong tailwinds.

Zooming along in the dark ... Fernleigh Tunnel

For those who are not used to clean and quiet hub gears, when accelerating they require slowing the pedalling speed very briefly to take all the pressure off the transmission, twisting the index grip to shift, then quickly reapplying pressure once the shift is made. There is no need to stop pedalling completely or to back pedal, and when coasting or when the bike is completely stopped in traffic a simple twist is all you need. I really like the linear nature of hub gears just as I like the same thing in a rear only derailleur system. Unlike most derailleur equipped bikes all of the available gears can be used as there are ( of course ) no extreme chain angle issues. I never really feel that 8 speeds aren’t enough either, as in almost all situations they are plenty. If necessary a slightly larger rear cog could perhaps be used to gear the bike down a bit further without losing too much at the high end of the gear range.

I have had two front tyre punctures so far, one at home from latent embedded glass, and one on the road. By far the easiest way to deal with this if the leak can be located is to regularly carry a couple of protective old cloths or plastic bags to rest the bike on, turn it upside down and pull out the tube just enough to attend to the hole with a patch kit after levering off the tyre bead. This avoids the need to disconnect the hub brakes, front dynamo wires or the Nexus rear gear cable – a real time saver!

Puncture repair, Swansea

The wheels are 28″ van Schothorst polished stainless rims, shod with cream Vredestein Classic tyres sporting reflective sidewall stripes. The loud 80mm chrome ding-dong bell is visually imposing – and useful on cycle paths. Other safety items include a large bright rear reflector and an excellent bright Lumotec front light powered by a Shimano front hub dynamo. There is an easy to reach 3 position toggle switch on the rear of the headlight nacelle for off,  auto, and on. I only just discovered the auto setting today ! It seems to switch both lights on and off according to the ambient light level.

Lumotec reflector/headlight

Stainless steel rims

The rear dynamo powered light is beautifully integrated into the guard (fender) and continues glowing via a capacitor for around 5 minutes after stopping – a great idea.   Electrical wiring runs are concealed neatly within the frame. An AXA wheel “O-Lock” is standard on all Gazelles, and I find it quite useful for short parking periods. The key must be left in this lock when using the bike. I have also added a folding rear basket  to mine, as I find “rat trap” type racks of limited use on their own. I think the 3-speed has the version of this rack with elastic holding straps, as well as the old-style kick stand that folds under the rear wheel. While I prefer the look of the traditional stand, I must say that the “Powerclick II” side stand is really stable although it does force the bike to lean very heavily when parked which can take up more floor space in a confined area.

Another characteristic that I quite like is the silence of the Nexus-8 hub when coasting – no freewheel clicking noises mean that all you hear is the wind in the spokes and gentle tyre noise, though I don’t think that this is necessarily  good or bad when compared with other transmissions, just different. Single speed coaster brakes can do that trick too !  The fully enclosed chain guard, cloth dress guards and huge front mud flap help immensely to prevent the bike and rider becoming messy and surely help to prolong chain life as well as reduce cleaning and maintenance chores. The chain case cover can be removed by a series of press studs and a long run of wire-laced clips underneath.

Cloth chain case release from beneath

Comprehensive mud and dirt protection

I also like the attention to detail in the finish of this bike, such as the Gazelle insignias on wheel and stem nuts, the beautifully fine gold hand-lining on the mudguards, the detailed decals, chrome fork lug covers etc.

I keep it garaged and cleaned and apart from a slight dulling of the pedals I have seen no deterioration of the finish or rust anywhere, even though I have used it in salty seaside areas on numerous occasion suggesting much use of stainless steel on fittings and bolts.

Head badge detail

Top tube detail

Seat tube decal, chain and dress guards, O-lock.

Nexus twist grip and added Zefal spy mirror

Some negatives for me include the cheapish plastic pump, which I blew the end off the first time I used it. Though it still works,  I recommend to only use it in an emergency. There is only one brazed on pump holder, the other end of the pump is shaped to nestle into the bottom bracket  meaning other pumps won’t fit. I fitted removable Schrader adaptors to the Woods/Dunlop type valves too though it is hard to gauge inflation pressure this way. There is no bike instruction, adjustment or maintenance manual in book form, nor any details on care and adjustment of the Brooks leather saddle – merely a very generalised Gazelle 2008 dated CD-rom. Perhaps this is the norm nowadays, but for me it’s not great for an approximately  $AUD 1700 bike. I have already mentioned the grips, which I personally didn’t like at all. Of course the one disadvantage common to all quality bicycles is that I get nervous if I have to leave it parked too long in some places – an old or undesirable bike tucked away in the garage is probably the only help here, if such days can be anticipated…

front end details

None of these issues would be enough to deter me from buying it though. I am very pleased to own this new-old bicycle that looks so much like the classic bike symbol seen on road and path signs, and hope to enjoy it for many years to come.

The Toer Populair was sold by – and is serviced at – Civic Bikes, Newcastle NSW.

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Gazelle near Redhead beach with folding Basil basket.

213 thoughts on “Bolt Upright – Gazelle Toer Populair 2011 Review:

  1. The fixed handlebars are an absolute pain in the bum. A better model would be the Primeur, which has the adjustable ‘Shuttle’ stem, allowing one to adjust the bars to the exact position for optimum comfort. Ergonomics, after all, are what these bikes are all about.

    • I agree with your comments, the Primeur would probably handle better in tight slow turns too, and I looked at it’s equivalent seriously at the time.
      However, while generally a practical person I am also a nostalgia tragic, and went with the heart, not the head, and I am still happy with the decision.
      Thanks for your input, other prospective buyers will have to decide for themselves, but it’s good for readers to know what else is offered in the range.

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  3. Thank you for this review! I was searching for an “old-school” bicycle, and this really helped me settle for the 8-speed Toer Populair. I’ve been riding it for almost a month around Sydney and loving every moment.

    Funnily enough my initial feeling was that the gearing was too low (I’m more of a slow pedaler), but a few uphill stretches make me use the full range regularly.

  4. hi! I am looking at buying one of these bikes (2012 model) and wondered if you could comment on the weight? It is a steel frame, isn’t it? Do you have any idea how much it weighs? I haven’t been able to get the information off the web! I really, really appreciated your detailed review. Thank you!

  5. Hi Sarah, I don’t know the exact weight either, but it would only be a problem if you had to push it up a very steep incline or carry it up stairs. The bike glides quite easily and if you are moderately fit it tackles medium hills well. It is built to last and therefore quite heavy with steel frame and wheels. Because of this weight and also the laid back frame geometry and big wheels & tyres, the ride comfort is exceptional.

    Thanks for your feedback !

  6. Before you fit the brooks grips,shorten your handlebars to the max. Your shop has a special tool for this. Also use glue on the handlebars before you fit the brooks grips. Hope to have been of assistance. Nick from Amsterdam

  7. Well, I’ve looked far and wide for a credible and “real life” review of this bike before I pulled the trigger… and I must say that this was it.

    Because of this helpful review I already placed the order for 1 for me and 1 for my wife to ride here in Houston, TX, USA.

    Thank you, it reassured my “Gut feeling” about these bikes.

    Mauricio

  8. Hi!

    I started reconditioning a Batacus Lugano bike, which is built mostly with the same components as this Gazelle, but its much older :).
    It has the same bottom bracket as this one, and I’d like to ask if anyone tryed to take this bb out without destroying tha plastic parts. I’d like to paint the frame with powder coating, and for this I need to take out the bb., becouse I think the plastic will melt in 200 C heat.

    Are these bbs glued? Becouse they don’t have any thread.
    The bb looks like this, its made by SKF:

    http://www.popiel.co.uk/fr/bottom-bracket-132mm-zonder-chaincase-beugel.html

    http://www.popiel.co.uk/en/bottom-bracket-127mm-linea-zonder-kettingkas-beugel.html

    Do you have any ideas, how to solve this problem?
    Thanks in advance.
    George

    • Sorry George, I’m not sure. My Gazelle seems to have the same BB. Looks like its sealed and non-adjustable and I would guess that the plastic ends are not re-useable. You may need to contact Gazelle or a Gazelle dealer. I’ll try and find out how it fits into the BB shell if I can.

  9. Love the review. I bought a 61 cm frame just this week after test riding one on the weekend. This years model has a more ‘normal’ gooseneck so you can adjust the handlebar angle, as well as height. I’m happy with the grips so far (2 days of riding!) but I like your choice of Brooks grips. For anyone that buys this bike, if you happen to read Dutch, they do come with a Dutch manual. The retailers normally don’t bother handing them out of course, but being half Dutch I thought it would be fun to try and read it! The English language version is online. My only gripe with the manual is that it seems to cover all models, which obfuscates the information you need.

    I think for a short while I am going to miss getting airborne on my old mountain bike during my daily commute, but I whole heartedly agree this is a much more civilised and enjoyable form of cycling- one where you really enjoy taking in the scenery.

    Oh, I love your Malvern Star (“,)

    Danny Galaga

  10. Thanks for the handlebar info Danny. I got a CD manual with the bike, but it covers too many models, as you say. The grip’s stitching started to fall apart after a while and the right one came off in my hand one day – very scary. Try as I could, I couldn’t refit it securely, though yours may be quite OK – the original grips are certainly comfortable though.

  11. Just took the plunge today and bought a 66cm Gazelle Tour Populair T8 H66. I didn’t see your excellent review before . I just saw it now a few hours after committing to the purchase. Your review solidifies my purchase. Thanks !
    They didn’t have a 66cm in the store so I test rode a 61cm . I was very impressed by the silky smooth ride . I already own a very nice mountain bike and was looking for a smooth city bike to ride around when I’m not trail riding. I think I found it.

  12. Thanks, petermc !

    I wish the old style bike stand was still offered. Does anyone know if it could be adapted to fit on the new bikes?

    • I believe the centre/rear wheel stand was/is offered on the 3-speed model. I would check with Gazelle or a dealer to be sure. Better for working on the bike I would think.

  13. petermc, Thanks !!
    I contacted Gazelle.us.com and received confirmation that I could indeed order the stand and have it installed on my new rig. So I will have two stands . I’m happy.
    Then in my excitement , I stumbled on to a very reasonably priced ‘used’ but not ‘abused’ Brooks B33 black saddle . I have to admit that I was taken with it immediately. The reviews I’ve read indicate that it’s very comfortable. I think it would look well on the new Gazelle as an alternate saddle. Do you have any riding experience with a B33? Any thoughts or comments about this saddle & its placement on a Gazelle Tour Populair ? Anyone ?

    And lastly, I discovered a lot of positive praise online for the Brooks B90/3 saddle which for some reason is no longer manufactured…. Can’t understand why a popular saddle would be discontinued???

    Any thoughts or comments would be very appreciated….

    • Wiggle UK have a reasonable range of new Brooks including the B33 at competitive prices compared to local suppliers, though they mostly have unsprung models. I can’t really comment on the B90 as I have no experience with it. You could ask Brooks themselves perhaps. Good news about the stand !

      • Appreciate your reply.

        One last comment about my soon to be new rig, I really like the brake system available on the TP T3. Sure wish it was available on the T8 !!

  14. What about this bike two years later? Any complaints? I just consider buying the Toer Populair loop frame, it’s fairly expensive so I am curious about your experience.

    • Still happy with it, Alexandra, I don’t think there’s any other issues than what I’ve posted here. I also did a post about some accessories for it. I do have a lot of bikes to ride so I give them all a turn. This one is the smoothest riding and most comfortable over medium distances.

  15. Still waiting for my TP T8 to arrive….”’Supposedly”’ it arrived at the bike shop this week but was damaged…The new eta is Tuesday-Wednesday. I’m anxious…..REgards….

  16. Well I got the call that the bike was ready for pick up…. Three hrs later I fell in love with it upon setting eyes on it as I entered the showroom. I coudn’t wait to get this bike in my hands. I settled up and rolled it outside in to the light of the day. Then I noticed that it had a few tiny scratches on the top bar near the front of the brooks saddle. So I decided that I’d better examine the bike thoroughly in the light because I didn’t see the top bar scratches when it was in the showroom. I found another small scratch on the front mud guard. Long story short, I refused it and they’re ordering another TP T8. After discussing the situation with the proprietor , who understood my decision entirely and agreed with me, I also pointed out to him that I was unhappy with the amount of greasy assembly fingerprints the assembler carelessly left on the bike. Initially when I noticed this, when I first got to the shop, I wasn’t going to say anything, but after discovering the scratches I decided I should mention it. Once again, he agreed with me and apologized for not inspecting the bike before I arrived there. He assured me that he would inspect the new bike thoroughly before calling me to pick it up . So I left without a new TP. Very disappointed but I’m glad I didn’t settle for it. So now my wait continues……

  17. Sorry to hear it , Lou, I had the greasy-fingered service once too — it’s not a good ad for any shop’s work. I believe the Gazelles arrive here mostly assembled already.

  18. I finally got my TP today. A much better reception at the LBS too. It was grease free and really polished and had not one scratch on it. I’ve spent the last few hrs admiring it in my living room and attaching the new panniers on it. Really a gorgeous bike . Lots of fun ahead .
    Oh by the way, I recently picked up a 66cm , 1950 Gazelle kruisframe. It seems as though I have been bitten by the bike craze again after a several year hiatus. I’m loving it…..

  19. I absolutely understand what richelieu said above about the handlebars. This is my only complaint presently and I’m looking for a remedy. Without this adjustment to the bars, I’m simply uncomfortable.

  20. Hi there, I bought this bike last spring. Your review is spot-on. Thanks for having shared your experience, and happy cycling!

  21. Just picked up our two Dutch bikes from a dealer in Rottedam in Holland. My wife (Who is Dutch) wanted a Batavus Omafiets so opted for The Old Dutch Plus model with 3 gears, the front rack and the traditional front basket.

    Myself (Half Dutch) opted for the Gazelle Toer Populair T3 of course. 🙂
    I still can’t stop smiling. We have just returned from our first bike ride on them, riding on the Dutch roads and cycle paths. Wow. These bikes cruise and cruise so effortlessly. We decided to head for a village 5-miles away and were there in no time! I’m not sure we could have driven there much faster.

    Both bikes ride well without any rattles or strange noises and feel like quality bikes. Mine came with the traditional lock under the seat that slides down through the back wheel, but the dealer also gave me a covered chain loop lock that attaches to the traditional lock under the seat whch can be removed with the main lock key. It’s hard to explain, but this loop chain works with the under seat lock and allows the bike to be locked against a lamp post or tree. As my wife’s Batavus does’t have this option, we found ourselves locking her bike to mine.

    What I love about my Gazelle is the traditional brake levers and the metal linkages to the front and rear brakes. What I wasn’t aware of before I bought the bike, was that both the front and rear brakes are conected through the linkage and both brake levers operate both brakes. In othewords, it is not possible to operate the brakes independantly. I wasn’t sure what to think about this at first, but after riding the bike all afternoon, I now quite like it. Effectively both wheels are being braked at the same time evenly and this has to be a good thing.

    I am only 5’10 and like the original poster, the 57 frame is meant to be the correct size for me, but the dealer didn’t have this size in stock and wouldn’t get one before our return trip to the UK in 3-days time, so I opted for the 61 frame, which was in stock. (I must add that I had sat on a 61 frame Gazelle Toer Populair last week, but this dealer had sold it to another customer so couldn’t sell it to me!) The 61 was big, but I manged okay so decided to go for the 61 afterall. I’m now glad I did go for the 61. With the seat set to it’s lowest position, my toes can touch the floor on both sides, but my legs are comfortable on the peddles with a long stroke without locking my knees, so a powerful peddling position is realised.

    The only thing I still need to master, is turning tightly. My knees will touch the handlebar hand grips and the brake levers when turning tightly, but there seems to be a knack to this. I.e. Moving your knee out so you are peddling outside of the handle bar on that side.

    As the sun begins to set here in Holland, I am already planning my next cycle ride tomorrow and can’t wait to ride my Gazelle again. 🙂

    Cheers Chris
    (31-08-13 – Peterborough – England)

  22. I too am in the Netherlands right now (I’m from Brisbane) and am loving riding here. I rode some crappy old single speed with my cousin and his wife (with baby strapped to her!) from Den Haag to Delft (which google tells me is 10 kms in a straight line). It is bloody marvellous riding in Holland, even on a crappy old bike! Can’t wait to get back home and ride my Gazelle some more (“,)

    Oh, and I”m not sure how much adjustment Lou K needs on his handlebar. Mine (a 2013 model) has your basic height and angle adjustment, just like any regular old bike (like a racer or what have you).

  23. Danny,
    Lucky you ! My dealer is swapping my handlebars and stem out so that I can make this important adjustment too. It only needs a minor adjustment to make me happy. Happy riding…..

  24. Update. Yesterday we rode our new bikes from Ittervoort to Roermond and back. We estimated this to be a round trip of 36 kms and took us a little over 2-hours on the bikes. Before the ride, I felt it neccessary to adjust the front brake slightly as the front brake was biting slighty and the wheel was not turning very freely. Backing off the nut by the front brake a full turn was sufficient and I noticed an immediate improvement. Once up to cruising speed the bike now free-wheels a great distance, which it didn’t previously.

    My Gazelle Tour Populair is fitted with the standard Brooks saddle and I must say, I found it to be very comfortable. Our ride to Roermond and back was done with freinds and after the trip, I was in no discomfort at all. I was the only one however with the other 3-riders complaining of some soreness.

    There were a number of steep ascents up bridges and a few small hills, which gave me the opportunity to test the gears. I am happy to say that the 3-gears were sufficient and ideal for all conditions encountered, though 1st gear could have been slightly lower for road junctions when stopping is necessary. I felt that setting off quickly was less swift than I would have liked and the big bike does struggle a little at low speeds. For me, I need to concentrate the most during these moments, especially if I am also cycling uphill or on a difficult surface when setting off. The task is made harder if the handle bars touch your knees, more likely during low speeds.

    On the subject of the handle bars touching your knees, I have noticed that the long brake levers on my traditional 3-speed model are what catch your knees more than the hand grips. I feel sure that this would be less of a problem on other models with normal brake levers set further forward or indeed the model with no gears and a back peddle brake. Personally, it is these traditional style brake levers that attracted me to the Toer Populair in the first place and I would rather learn to live with this minor issue than change the brakes to a more modern set of brake levers!

    Tommorow we drive back to England with our two bikes. We will miss the lovely cycle paths of Holland, but know we have made the right choice when it comes to buying quality Dutch bikes that will carry us comfortably around the city of Peterborough for years to come. 🙂

  25. I love this bike. I ride mine daily and after one year the gears need adjusting (to be expected). But handlebar grips also coming apart (not cool) and chrome on front fork cap is peeling off (very not cool – only 8 months old). When you buy a bike in part because of classic look it is a bummer when it doesn’t hold up. But the main stuff is solid – a pleasure to ride – stable, quiet, smooth. But next city bike (hopefully many years from now) will likely be a more rugged contemporary Dutch bike. Thanks for the review!

  26. Charles, sorry to hear you are having a few problems. PeterMC reported changing his leather hand grips for other ones because they were coming unstiched. My brand new version has rubber/ plastic hand grips as standard. I have had a look at the brochure and online including the 2012 brochure and it seems that these hand grips have been standard for a while now. Samantha did this review in March 2011 and her bike has the same grips as mine. http://dingdingletsride.com/bike-review-gazelle-toer-populair/

    If these grips are the same as yours, then I am surprised that they are coming apart, but they are also used on other bikes in the Gazelle range. Fairly easy to replace I would say.

    As for your gears adjustment. If you have the 3-speed version, a Dutch bike mechanic gave me some useful advice. Select third gear and then adjust the gear chain on the side so that the chain is nearly tight and your done. 🙂

    The chrome coming off is disappointing though.

    At the weekend,the lace under my Brooks saddle broke. Rather than call the dealer in Holland, I rang Brooks here in the UK and asked them if I could buy another lace and could they advise if there is a special way to lace the seat. They told me that they would not allow me to pay for a new lace, took my address and sent me a replacement complete with photos showing how the saddle should be laced. It arrived the very next day. What a service! I discovered that the seat was positioned too low down on the seat post and the lace was rubbing on the top of the post. I simply raised it up. 🙂

  27. After getting the bike back to the UK, it was fairly dirty after the 8-hour drive through the rain. I decided to give it a wash and a polish and given that it is unlikely to look this good ever again, took some more video footage of the bike.

    This 6-minute video shows the bike off in detail and I guess could be used as reference material by others and me in the future when trying to remember where things were when it was new.

  28. Things I love about your Toer Populair Peter over my version is the chrome front lamp, the big bell and the fact that your rear lamp is charged by a dynamo, albeit a hub dynamo. My bottle dynamo only powers the front light as my rear light is battery powered. It looks authentic, but originally both lights were powered by a dynamo. When the back light eventually dies, I will try to power it from the dynamo I think.

    I was impressed to read about your rear light staying on for a while, after the bike had stopped and also the auto function. Something I need to test.

    I like the spy mirror too, which I plan to buy at some point.

    While I find the bike to be very stable, looking right over my shoulder for anything more than a split second results in a change of direction and is a little alarming sometimes.

    Some concerns I have centre around changing a tyre or repairing a puncture at the side of the road, with the rod connecting brakes.

    While I like the rear stand over a side stand, again because it is more authentic, the bike can be fairly unstable and a small knock could topple the bike I think. I guess the idea behind the rear stand, is that the rack can be loaded with the bike in the upright position.

    I did get some information with my Brooks saddle, which I am happy to copy and share if you like. 🙂

  29. The grass is greener re: T3 vs. T8 ! Thanks for the thoughts on T3, Chris ! Up to you re: the Brooks info.
    The steering is light, I noticed the over shoulder twitch too, but generally get used to it after a while. Hope I never get a major rear wheel flat though !
    Cheers !

  30. The difficulty of changing a tube on the rear was my only major dissappointment. I hadn’t thought about it until I went to pick it up from the shop. I said “I better get a spare tube while I’m here”. The mechanic said “Oh, you don’t want to change a tube out on the road!”. He ponted out that if you can see where the puncture is, you can pull that part of the tube out of the side of the rim and repair it in situ. I’ve since had a session with the mechanic, during the free service we pulled the back wheel off together so I can do it myself without cocking it up! Hopefully I only have a flat on the front, or at worst an easily discernable puncture on the rear. I’ve also picked up a nice workshop stand that holds the whole bke off the ground so I can service it at home, and change the back tube comfortably if I’ve managed to limp it home.

    Now I’ve ridden it some more, I have noticed that the rear canvas wheel guards pop off from time to time. And in fact in Holland I noticed the odd Gazelle with the same problem, and the occasional wheel guard lying in the gutter! If it pops off again, I’ll probably just put some non-acid cure silicon on the clips to stop them moving. That way if I actually have to take them off I can break the silicon seal (“,)

    • You can pull all of the front tube out in situ with a bit of patience, if required, to find the leak. Perhaps using some “slime” in the tubes might give some peace of mind. I’ve had the .skirt guard clip pop off the seat stay from time to time too.

  31. I’m confused as to all the “high quality” and “well built” comments. These things are crazy heavy steel, any monkey can weld 25kg of steel together and it won’t break. Has anyone here actually ridden a nice roadbike? Or a mountain bike with slicks? Let’s be honest now, the only reason you buy a bike like this is for its beautiful regal looks, it’s going to take you many hours to actually ride this old beater anywhere!

    • I don’t think you actually read the review properly Nick, and yes, I have ridden both bikes you mention. I didn’t say it was for everyone, or could do everything, neither can a nice roadbike or MTB with slicks do everything. If you think it’s slow then it’s probably not as slow as you think, but I understand it may not be the bike for you. BTW, have you actually ridden one ?

      • Peter I thought your review was great, I like how upfront you said it’s for people not in a hurry, looking for a classic without rebuilding one, etc.

        I have the T3 model and whilst I love riding down to the tennis club on it and looking regal, I think it’s important to remember a few things:

        1. These bikes are incredibly slow
        2. Your weight is all on the back wheel so going down big hills is incredibly dangerous with the fluttery steering
        3. You can get amazing hub dynos for roadbikes too, Local bike shops should rebuild your wheel for around $65 plus spokes (and the cost of the dyno).
        4. If you’re looking for low maintenance, it’s worth considering an ultralight single speed bike, for example an aluminium track bike with a freewheel and brakes is easier to get up a hill than a huge piece of steel with 8 gears.
        5. If you ride every day, you WILL get punctures. A roadbike with quick release skewers and gatorskin ultra tough tyres is the ultimate for not getting punctures and being able to change them when you do.
        6. The inbuilt brake, and optional cable that comes with it isn’t very secure, there is an article where the police in Australia determined that the only lock you can’t boltcut through or hit with a hammer to open is a D-Lock (the only way through it is an angle grinder)

      • Thanks for the info Nick – here’s my thoughts on the points you have raised, for any readers interested in the TP3/TP8 :

        1 : Compared with my Shogun Samurai (light cro-moly frame, lightweight alloy wheels – I’m guessing it’s about one-third the weight of my Gazelle), I would estimate the Shogun is around 25-30 percent faster overall, and while not state of the art, will still give a good idea of relative speeds. On the flat I can cruise at about 25km/h on the Gazelle with about the same effort as say 30km/h on the Shogun. The momentum of the Gazelle helps maintain its speed reasonably well. I actually think that the weight of the Gazelle is less important than the wind resistance from the upright position, and that’s only an issue at higher speeds or in strong headwinds. True, a lightweight bike is always better up hills, all else being equal. I haven’t ridden the T3 Gazelle, but by changing down and spinning, the T8 Gazelle will do pretty well on moderate hills. As I may have said before, if your friends all ride road bikes and they are as fit as you, you probably won’t keep up with them on the Gazelle. I certainly wouldn’t call it incredibly slow though.

        2 : Secondly, while the steering is light down hills, the long wheelbase and relaxed frame angles give good self centring steering, with the proviso that for adhesion you lean forward a little on fast downhill corners. I wouldn’t describe it at all as dangerous, and it’s no more twitchy and more stable than a lot of steep frame angled short wheelbase road bikes. I don’t think think that very low speed tight turns are a strong point of the Gazelle though.

        3 : I like the idea of the hub dyno on a road bike but I haven’t seen any in my area with them fitted – whether roadies are paranoid about cost, weight or drag, I don’t know. Not a bad idea though, probably more for tourers or commuters than the many blinky-light carbon fibre wannabe racers riding around my area. The T8 gives you one as standard, albeit at a price.

        4 : I would be wary of recommending an aluminium framed track bike to a person interested in a comfortable ride, particularly one with an aggressive design, but a lightweight chromoly or mangalloy steel frame with moderate angles would be worth considering. I agree that lightness is a great asset with single speeds as it allows one to run a higher gear for speed and still cope reasonably with hills.

        5 : Gator skins are fantastic tyres, I run them on my Shogun, but you don’t have to take the wheels off a roadster to fix most punctures. Granted, removing the rear wheel from a Gazelle TPT8 ‘on the road’ could be a nightmare though…

        6: I agree about the U-lock only deterring casual thieves, but as they don’t come standard with any other bikes I know of, so I don’t see this as a reason not to choose the Gazelle.

        Thanks again for your feedback, I hope other readers gain something from it
        Peter.

  32. According to Wiki “Cycling in the Netherlands is a common and popular method of transport and recreation, accounting for 27% all trips nationwide, and up to 59% of all trips in its cities. Utility bicycles which are low in maintenance and suited to load carrying are very popular.”

    I have a lightweight multi-gear racing bike, a lightweight folding bike, a mountain bike and now a traditional Dutch bike. Each have their own advantages and disadvantages over each other. For hilly terrain, the Dutch bikes will be hard going and less than ideal, but here in East Anglia where the terrain is similar to that of Holland, they are truly excellent when medium distance cycling (Less than 20-miles) and low maintenance is required. My wife’s original Cyrus Dutch bike was used every day to cycle to school and back (32-mile round trip), was parked outside in all weathers and still functions perfectly today. Cyrus stopped making bikes in 1971 to give you an idea how old the bike is. 🙂

    Here’s a photo of her Cyrus taken today – http://s10.postimg.org/m8idcb9jd/P9173357_1000.jpg

    Some of our bikes in our garage including my racer and her mountain bike – http://s7.postimg.org/y3gtb7bwr/P9173359_1000.jpg

    This is what Wiki says about the roadster (Typical Dutch bike): “A roadster is a type of utility bicycle once common worldwide and still very common in Asia, Africa, Denmark and the Netherlands. However, during the past several years, traditionally styled roadster bicycles have gained considerable popularity throughout the western world, particularly as a lifestyle or fashion statement”

    The Dutch bikes are obviously very good at what they do otherwise they would not be so successful. Gallelle alone produces and sells over 300,000 bikes a year and has produced over 13-million bikes since 1902. It is really hard to argue with the figures. 🙂

  33. I found this Gazelle promotion video: https://vimeo.com/7284431

    As the Toer Populair is essentially a modern bicycle using modern components, based on traditional styling, I take comfort from the fact that lessons have been learnt when it comes to anti-corrosion, the use of quality bearings and other parts. I find it hard to believe that a company such as Gazelle would risk turning out poor products especially to a nation of bicycle enthusiasts. Every bicycle shop in Holland I spoke to (And there were many) regarded the Toer Populair as the best tradional Opafeits (Grandad bike) available in Holland at the moment.

  34. Probably not everyone’s cup of tea, but I fitted a front carrier to give the bicycle that cargo bike look. It has been done carefully to enable me to put everything back later the way it was, if I change my mind about it. Anyway, here are a few photos:

  35. I can’t sense any noticable difference in the handling, when unloaded, but if some feel that the front end is light, this will only serve to help matters.

    My Wifes Batavus Old Dutch Plus comes with a front rack as standard and this has a lock under the handlebars to stop them turning when parked. I noticed that when I had my small sports bag on it, the handlebars tried to twist slightly a few times when parked up, but it wasn’t as noticiable as on her’s due to my Gazelle not having a side stand and standing fairly straight up.

    Riding with any weight on the front, does make the steering heavier. It is less effected by bumps in the road, but over-steering needs to be avoided as the weight of the handlebars requires more effort to correct your course & direction and if not careful a pendulem motion can be created. A little odd at first, especially at low speeds when the Gazelle is already a unstable, but you soon get used to it.

    You can actually buy front racks for the Gazelle Toer Popilair. Here are a few links:
    http://www.centralbikes.nl/accessoires_c25/gazelle-accessoires_s92/voordrager-toer-populair-basic-of-classic_p1659
    &
    http://www.12gobiking.nl/onderdelen/bagagedragers/gazelle_voordrager_toer_populair

    I also found another T3 in a blog with a front rack fitted, so thought why not. I have the rack, might as well give it a try. Here are a few pics of it:

    My thoughts about leaving it on for now were confirmed after another cycle ride into the city last Sunday in which dozens of people came up to admire the bikes, while we were enjoying a coffee closeby.

    • My Brooks saddle lace snapped too, in the first week of use!

      The problem is that the top of the seat post has a sharp edge and as you ride the bike, the lace rubs on top of the seat post, causing the lace to snap. After Brooks sent me a replacement lace, I found a small amount of foam in the garage and squeezed it into the top of the seat post, leaving a small amount of foam protruding. Now the lace cannot come into contact with the seat post and cannot wear through. A hundred miles on, all is still well. 🙂

      I have noticed some flexibility in the pedals, but they haven’t broken yet, but I’ll keep an eye on them.

      • Hi Chris,
        I guess the foam trick might also stop any rain or wash water from entering the seat tube and bottom bracket
        ( That is, if it’s non-porous foam or soft sealant ).

        P.S. My lace has been fine so far.

  36. Another update. Slightly disappointed in two things fitted to the bike but not made by Gazelle. First, the seat. These pre-worn seats have a lace. Mine broke on me twice. I’ve ended up threading it with cable ties! Actually looks quite neat, threaded in the same pattern as before, with the cable tie heads underneath the seat and out of view. But this seat creaks like hell! Not sure if it’s because of the ties, or what. The second disappointment is the peddles. I read somewhere that they found the peddles wore out quickly. When I read that I thought I’d buy a pair for a year or two down the track. Well, ‘down the track’ arrived a couple of weeks ago! They lasted about 4 months. They became quite loose very quickly, and started clunking. I put on my pair of MKS 3000R peddles, and they are lovely. Also, you can service these ones, unlike the originals. Also, I love the smell of real rubber (“,)

    I still recommend this bike. It is still a joy to ride. The saddle thing may just be me. But definitely keep an eye on the peddles. I understand putting on cheap peddles on sports bikes, since the rider will almost always change them for their favourite brand anyway, but this sort of bike should have every part there ‘for life’. Anyway, the MKS 3000Rs are a great replacement and made in Japan.

    • Hi Danny, about the saddle – I used too much leather conditioner on mine which has caused it to sag a bit. I do prefer the non-aged B66 for this bike rather than the aged B67 which is now fitted to another bike. I also did the same thing with mine re: the 3000R MKS pedals.

  37. I have a Toer Popolair 8 speed. I got it about 2 years ago and have been extremely happy with it. I ride it to work most days and spend many weekends on it going to cafes etc with my with and kids. Last year I did a 200km camping trip on it in the hot Australian summer with no issues. The only problem I’ve encountered is chrome flaking off the fork crown. This occured not long after I bought the bike and the folks at Borsari Cycles in Carlton where I got it were quick to get a replacement part from the Gazelle dealer and install it for me. I imagine I’ll still be riding it in 20 years. Great bicycle!!!

  38. Hoi Peter and all the others..

    Great blog. I’m a Gazelle fan all my live…And have always been riding gazelle bike’s. Well I live in Holland so it is not a suprise..
    I’ve just ordered a brand new tour popular three gears. Were i live ..we don’t have hills..So 8 gears are not necessary in my area.
    The real classic gazelle (toer pupulair) is a bike that I wanted. all my life long Having spared a while then I finally bought one. …

    And a little tip: a solution to the problem with the knee touches the handlebars. I bought a frame size larger. I myself am 1.87 meters long and a 57 cm frame would be suitable. However, I bought a 61cm frame. This fits perfectly. And the problems are solved.

    It is really nice to read that this dutch bike is bing liked all over the world..

    And here is a little fact/ nice to know:
    The ladies version is called in the north of Holland widow (weduwe) and to the south of Holland a ( oma-fiets) granny bike

    Vriendellijke groet Friso
    Holland
    Akkrum.

    • Thanks Friso, and sorry for the delay – it’s nice to hear from the home of Gazelle. I think that had I known about the knee thing, I too would have bought the 61cm as I can’t bring myself to cut the bars shorter !
      It’s OK once you get used to it though.
      Cheers, Peter

  39. Hi Frisco. It is interesting what you say about buying the bigger frame to avoid banging your knees on the handlebars. I am only 1.79 meters tall and bought the same 61cm frame as you, but I still have to be careful in tight corners, otherwise my knees will touch! Perhaps I need to lift my handlebars a little.

    I was going to buy a 57cm frame, but they were not in stock at the time and I was only in Holland for a week. I decided to test ride the 61cm frame and it felt okay, although I could only just touch the floor with my toes. The dealer checked my knees didn’t lock when pedaling, which they didn’t, so I bought it and am still happy with my decision. Apparently in buying the bigger frame, which nearly locks my knees, but doesn’t, I have a more powerful pedal stroke than I would have on the 57cm frame.

  40. Hi guys, i have the 63cm frame and 8 speed. The mods i have done so far is change the seat to the fully sprung brooks. model no,B33 in honey gold colour…just love the seat.
    But i need your help….At 6’3″ and long thighs i find the handle bar to seat distance terrifying…i have nearly come off a few times in traffic because i simply couldn’t move the bars enough to keep balance.
    I have moved the seat back and raised the bar as high as i can.
    I want to keep the retro look so is there a work around for this issue as i don’t want to but a modern head stem, I have heard the Gazelle now makes export model Toer’s with the bars and heads stem 2 piece and not welded one piece so i might be able to buy a new head stem and fit slightly wider bars with a little more up sweep . I’m sure I’m not the only unco with similar problem with this issue.
    Steven
    Australia

    • Hi Steven, I also considered installing a B33 but haven’t done so yet . It’s a beautiful seat . I have the same issue with the handlebars. I’m 6’5″ and yes , it can be dangerous. My dealer has agreed to swap out the stem to an adjustable stem from another Toer Populair that offered this type of stem. I’m long over due getting back to the dealer though so I can’t comment on any improvement yet. I would speak to your dealer and discuss this option. I’ll report back when I get this done…..

  41. A while back in the thread, Nick from Amsterdam suggested taking the bike to the dealer and getting the bars shortened. Worth considering if done professionally. Looking at my bars, this could be up to about 35mm – sitting on the stationary bike might show whether this would be enough to help.

    Peter.

  42. Hoi Guys

    About what i wrote…I made a little mistake ..my lenght is 1,78 meter and not 1, 87.’meter..

    And about the steering distance to your sadle is actualy normal for the gentleman version. Just needs some practice 😉
    How ever the lady’s version (called grany bike..oma-fiets or weduwe> widow) are use by a lot of jong people in Holland. Also yongmen drive the lady version because it is ‘cool’ And this type has a higer steer so your knees don’t hit handlebars…

    Below just some nice links….

    http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazelle_(bedrijf)

    http://www.gazelle.nl/gazelle/geschiedenis

    http://www.geschiedenis24.nl/nieuws/2012/december/Gazelle-fabriek-bestaat-120-jaar.html

    http://www.geschiedenis24.nl/nieuws/2013/april/Wim-Breukink-overleden-Gazelle-Fietsen-fabriek-geschiedenis.html

    http://en.hollandbikeshop.com/?language=en

    http://www.fietsonline.com/

    http://www.fietsenwinkel.nl/

    http://www.marktplaats.nl/z/gazelle-tour-populair.html?query=gazelle+tour+populair

    ( dutch ..e-bay)

    Groeten
    Friso Wennekes…Toer Populair 3 speed/ rod brakes.

    Akkrum
    Holland

  43. Hey Guys,

    About what i wrote earlier. I said I’m 1,87 meters tall. But I meant that I ‘m 1,78 meter tall. and i have a 61 cm frame is stead off 57cm.

    And about the knee thing..hitting the handlebars…It is actualy normal that your knee’s hit the handle bars. It just takes some time to get used to.

    One other fact..the lady’s version has a higer steering. This makes life easier. A lot of young man and studens in holland use the ladies version ( widow> weduwe) because of this…and because this type is ‘ cool’ to drive on.

    Lot of driving pleasure…go-zelle

    Friso
    Holland

    • I am the same height as you (1,78) and also ride the 61cm Toer Populair frame. What I find is that my knees hit the brake levers, not the handlebars.
      Unlike normal brake levers, mine it the 3-speed version and has the wrap around brake levers (Both sides go up and down together operating the front and back brakes at the same time) and they can’t be angled outwards like normal separate brake levers!

      Like you say, you do get used to it though. I just have one place near me when riding up a steep winding cycle path, where you need to keep pedalling and turn the handlebars right over at the same time, unlike the other times where you can just stop pedalling for a second.

  44. Thanks, Chris – the steep winding paths are where I sometimes stick the knee out unceremoniously ! I guess there aren’t many of those paths in Holland …

  45. Hoi Chris, Peter and others…

    Oh ..great to read the comments….I have to admit that we do do not have hils or mountains in holland..but we do have other challenges ….Like the wet and cold stuf falling from the sky…


    How ever ..an other solution for your knee..thing..is to stick your whole leg/ knee outward . This way the handelbar sticks inbetween your legs. This may sound a bit stange…but is prety normal here….in flat Holland.

    Here beneth some information..you may like.

    The history of cycling in Holland

    Bicycle Rush Hour

    Cyclists in Amsterdam (1900-1930)

    Bicycle Stacks in Holland Nijmegen Netherlands

    Round the clock cycling in the Netherlands

    Vriendelijke groet
    Friso

  46. It is very flat here also in the East of England and we also have lots of snow too, though more rain than snow this Winter for some reason!

    My fun with my handlebars is a few of these bridges in the area:

    They have them in Holland too as I have used them there also.
    I must move my whole leg out as you have suggested, otherwise I can’t turn and pedal up the bridge at the same time, but you get used to it.

    Some nice videos, thank you for showing them. 🙂 I won’t show them to my Dutch wife and she is already missing her family in Holland and this will make it harder for her, but they are nice to watch.

    • That’s a monster version of one of my local bridges, Chris – now I will have to go and take a pic. of it ! Have sent a request to fb site ” Gazelle T. P. ” thanks, Friso for the links.

      Cheers !

  47. What a wonderful review. Thank you. I’m getting my Gazelle in a couple weeks. I was hoping you could give me some information about the basket on the rear rack. I would like to purchase one or two for my bike. Name? Website, etc. ? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

    • Thanks Bobby, the basket is a Basil Catania. Basil is a Dutch company but it should be available worldwide. I ordered mine from Civic Bikes Newcastle ( where I bought the bike ). I used nylon zip ties to attach it to the bike (with some little strips of sticky foam rubber between it and the bike frame).

      Cheers, Peter.

  48. Having just returned from Holland again and inspired by the trend to mount beer crates to the front of Dutch bikes, I decided to buy a genuine crate of Heineken beer.

    Today, I drank all the beer (No I didn’t really), cut out all the bottle supporting plastic in the middle of the crate and fitted it to my Gazelle.

    I think it really looks the part. During our cycle ride into town today, I was able to carry items more easily, access things while cycling like a drink (Not beer) and it really attracted a lot of attention. Plus using a genuine Dutch Heineken beer crate, the look is more authentic.

  49. just got ma Gazelle!!!!just love it but have a problem with the front light.It works sometimes and not other times…just don’t know why?????di you have troubles with the light????tried all the connection possible.

    • I’m not sure Nathalie, is it a hub or a bottle dynamo ? Is it one light or both not working ?
      The connection to the headlight was a bit wonky when i first got mine but i wiggled and fixed it.
      You might need to see a bike shop if you’ve checked all the connections, but solving these problems is basically a process of elimination.

  50. Hey Natalie, don’t know if you know, but there are three switch positions- off, ‘auto’ and on. Might explain what you are experiencing. Off and on are pretty self explanatory. The ‘auto’ position (I’m sure they call it something else, but you get the picture) senses ambient light. When it thinks it’s getting too dark, the light comes on automatically! If the lighting is marginal, you’ll find that it will switch on and off as you pass under trees, street lamps etc. Initially I didn’t like it, but now I just leave it on the auto position (“,)

    Also an update on my experience with the canvas wheel covers coming loose. For a while they weren’t doing it, but more recently they started coming off again. Maybe I’m dropping down gutters too roughly or something. So I finally got a tube of neutral cure silicon from the hardware shop and put some on each of the four clips. Works like a charm. If I ever have to remove the covers for maintenance, I can break the clips out of the silicon easily enough.

  51. A major plus of the gazelle riding position is the ability to see into parked cars and to be alerted to subtle arm movements of the driver that can indicate a door will suddenly open……is there no limit to the joys of gazelling?

  52. I just bought an old Juncker/Gazelle bike. It was my aunts. She is now 95 and can not ride anymore. My wife loves it. Parts could be a bit hard to find. It needs a rear light and cover.

  53. Have been researching and reading up over the past few weeks and am going to take the plunge and get a gazelle. The Tour Populair Export looks great. Also looking at the Orange Xtra with has aluminium frame and springy suspension. But the Populair is in stock and the Orange will take 3 months. And I hate waiting!!
    My only concern is that the handle bars felt very close to my knees. Suspect just something to get used to.

  54. Thanks for your review.

    I am looking at getting this model. A question: I am pretty much the exact same height as you – if you were to get this model again would you still go for the 57cm frame or would you go for the 61cm?

      • Hi Pete,

        What is the standover height for the 57cm frame? Or what is the height of the 57 bar off the ground? I am looking to purchase the T8 as well (I’m 5’10”-5’11”) but the shops in my area don’t have either bike so I need to order via shipment.

        Thanks!

      • Hi Nelson,

        I measure mine at 825mm to the top of the top tube. The 57cm seems to be from the crank axle centre to the top of the top tube ( c-t ). I am the same height as yourself.

        Cheers !

      • Hi Pete,

        Thanks for the prompt response and info. So if my inseam (measurement to bottom of foot) is ~32in / 825mm, would you recommend I order the 57 or 61?

        Just wondering why you would order the 61 if you had to do it over again. Debating this issue and don’t want to make the wrong decision with my purchase.

      • Hi Nelson, my inseam is around 86cm so ‘technically’ the 57cm is the right size. If in doubt I would go the 57, I just have a preference for larger frames. On a road bike I prefer 58/59cm frames so am half way between. The Toerpop 57 would measure as a 56 centre-centre.

  55. I concur Peter. Initially I felt I was taking a risk buying the 61cm frame, as Gazelle suggested the 57cm frame for my height of 5’10” (1.78m).
    Initially I dropped the saddle to it’s lowest position so that I had good contact with the ground with both my feet, but I later raised the saddle again to have a straighter leg when pedaling. The bigger frame also allows more clearance between my knees and the handlebars. 🙂

    • Thanks Peter and Chris – this has really helped me. I had the opportunity to buy a 6 month old 57cm online for a good price, but I think I’ll just wait, try one out in person, and most likely get a 61cm. Or maybe an Achielle!

  56. Recently I bought a gazelle TP T3 in Holland. Although I had to pay shipping costs to Germany , the Gazelle was about 130 € cheaper. This blog really helped me , because I’m also with 180 cm between the frame sizes 57 and 61 . Well, I decided to 61iger frame and am very satisfied. I had to adjust the handlebar height to maximum setting. Thanks especially to Chris for his vimeo video is probably unique in the web , especially for the T3.

  57. Hi Dirk. Congratulations on getting one of these great bikes.
    I’m glad you found the video useful. I wondered later if it was a little boring and long winded, but figured if I ever needed to check what the original bike setup was like, I can simply check the video. 🙂 Enjoy your new toy.

  58. I have added a Basil Cento rattan basket for rear and a large ding dong . Not really true to style is the front battery lamp , I’ve found a similar look as the original (black and chrome). The beautiful bottle dynamo I have, however, left in place.

    The bike is just a dream , I am every day to be able to drive it. I live in southern Germany and Holland bikes here are very unusual , but I get many words of appreciation for my gazelle. Especially since I have a feeling that Holland Bikes are full again in vogue. However, the normal case looks like this: Since I live on a bike path , I see every weekend pensioners in their tight cycling jerseys , although they sit on an e -bike ….

  59. Hi to all you toer populair people. A last I have found a review worth looking at. I was beginning to think something was wrong with me having such a liking for these truly good looking bikes. I have spent many months looking around for a bike that not only looked good but rode with comfort. so looked on the wide web and met all you people with all your experience in purchasing. Last month I was about to buy a Raleigh old style but held off while I had one last look around boy was I a lucky chap as I came across a bike shop called there cycling in London really helpful as I came across gazelle bikes well after a chat on size frame I should have I made a purchase and now have what I consider to be the best bike iv seen yet. have made some adjustments and intend to ride a six mile trip to work tomorrow. fingers crossed. thanks people for the input much appreciated.

  60. Not sure if I have posted this video on here before, but it was taken around a year ago when we started towing a doggy trailer with our new puppy.

    Well as you can imagine, the puppy is nearly fully grown now and weighs around 40kgs. While he still fits inside his trailer, he is quite heavy for me to tow now and I find myself having to stop for a rest every 15 or 20 minutes, especially on long gentle inclines!

    In addition, my wife has been having some problems with her knees, meaning that we have not used the bikes much this year, which is a real shame!

    My thoughts have turned to fitting some kind of electrical assist device like the Velogical Velospeeder or one of the wheel hub motors.

    http://www.greenoptimistic.com/electric-bike-conversion-kit/#.Vg5T5-hwZJ8

    Has anyone considered doing this with their Toer Populair? If so, did you try it?

    One problem I can see with the hub system is our bikes also have drum brakes and some have mechanical brake linkages, which make it harder to change over to disk brakes or rim brakes for the powered wheel.

    • Although I can’t really help with advice here, I wondered if it would be possible to gently motorise the trailer itself, though I guess that could put pressure on the coupling and steering. Hope you can sort it somehow, Chris.

  61. Thanks for the review, Peter! To indicate the future from past experience: I acquired a second hand Gazelle Tour Populair 30 years ago and am still riding it the daily 20 km to and from work 😉

    Ruurd

  62. Hello wonderful Gazelle lovers!

    I’m so glad I found this post (and that the comments are still going years later). Thank you for your detailed review, and engaging comments!

    You folks seem really experienced cyclers, AND appreciate Gazelles, so I am hoping that you may help me make some decisions.

    I have just moved to Sydney from Cape Town, South Africa, and will be doing my post-grad at art school. Over the next three years I’m getting to tick three boxes on my “Things I’ve Always Wanted To Do” list:

    1. Go back to art school
    2. Live in a city abroad
    3. Live car-free (take up cycling)

    I now need to get a bike, and to be honest – after almost 2 weeks of research, I am at my wit’s end. Bike-wise, I know exactly what I want, but whether it is practical is where I lack the knowledge/experience – and really mixed responses on forums and from bike shops have left me really confused.

    I need to commute to campus 3 days a week, for about 30 minutes there, 30 minutes back. The rest of the week will be short commutes around Surry Hills. I’m not an experienced cyclist at all, but I am in decent shape and have pretty strong legs (I also build strength really fast).

    What is certain, is that I want an upright step-through. What is hopeful, is that I can get away with a traditional dutchie. Upright is simply what I feel most comfortable with, and I feel secure with the weight of these bikes. Speed is not my thing at all – I enjoy taking things slow.

    I’ve tried a few of the hybrids shops insisted on, and the forward position is just not me – at all. I am way too wary of cars and have always been (whether driving or as a pedestrian), so it’s not something that I would just get used to like one attendant suggested (which I found quite patronising). He also hinted at women generally being distracted by the “aesthetics” of vintage style bikes, completely ignoring what I said about feeling more secure in a higher position.

    So, that asides, I have my heart set on either a second-hand Gazelle Toer Populair 8 (great condition, 2 years old, for AU$850), or a Pashley Brittania (7 speed, new on sale for AU$840).

    Unfortunately the Gazelle is in Perth, so I am going to try out a current model at a shop here in Sydney, and if I go with it the purchase will be in good faith. I tried out the Pashley briefly today (it was raining, so I could only ride in the store), and will take it for a longer ride to try a hill later. So far I love the Pashley, but a proper test will tell.

    What I am worried about, especially after some pushback by either store attendants or on forums, is that I am overly ambitious to take on hills on one of these. Granted, they are both heavy, but I won’t need to carry them up stairs, and lifted the Pashley high quite easily. Just before campus (in Rozelle) there is a pretty steep hill, or two, depending on my route. I don’t mind pushing it up a really steep hill, or getting creative with routes, but when I explained this the shop attendant remained very sceptical.

    So I have almost decided against these, and then I came across this review (AUSTRALIAN, YAY!) and comments, and have renewed hope. What do you folks think? Do you build up strength (which is kind of the intended fitness challenge too), or should I look at lighter step-throughs, like the Specialized Daily (which I’ve tried) or Breezer Uptown?

    Apologies for the essay, but it has been quite a frustrating process. The heart really wants.

    • Hi Juanel,

      That’s not an easy one to answer – if there are mostly hills I would go to a lighter bike, if only a few hills the Gazelle 8sp. will be fine, albeit a little slower. Steep hills may have to be walked but first gear is fairly low.
      It’s better to spin the lower gears to get up hills rather than muscle it – that applies to most bikes and riders – it’s better cardio exercise and much easier on the knee joints.

      You seem to have a pretty good grasp of the pros and cons. Hub gears are nice in town and I can’t see the Pashley or Breezer being that much lighter than the Gazelle anyway.

      If it were me I would go with the heart – or maybe later with 2 bikes – lol.
      Peter

  63. First of all I would like to say that I love that a bike review can lead to all this. I have never seen any product review gathering responses five years down the road and counting! So I started reading the bike review and then noticed that I could scroll down to the responses, and further down.. and… o.m.g. there’s no end to this it seemed! By now I have read this whole web page, all the responses and comments, every single one of them. It took me all evening but it was worth it. How wonderful that so many enthusiasts join in like this! If I didn’t want me a Gazelle Tour Populair already I would by now. So I am gathering as much information as I can. Gazelle really does not supply any useful information or specs on their websites, that is very sad. You guys have been very helpful with that already. Btw one thing that keeps amazing me is that people from OUTSIDE the Netherlands keep using the phrase “Dutch Bike” . I had never heard of that. I had no idea that a “Dutch Bike” was a particular type of bicycle. Maybe because I am Dutch myself. We just call ’em bicycles. Ok the Gazelle Tour / Toer Populair. I am considering the 26 inch / 66cm (I’m 6’4″) Nexus-8 version, I like the look of the rod gearing but I think cabled gearing is much lighter and has much less points of possible failure. I have been using mountain bikes, city bikes, road bikes, et cetera, but I came to the conclusion that I’m really just looking for a decent touring bike, and by that I mean I want to look at the surroundings instead of the asphalt. So after trying all of these bikes I suddenly stumbled upon this Gazelle, which has its pros and cons of course, but could be what I am looking for.

    • Thanks for the feedback Henk — i have many bicycles that do some things better than the Gazelle but the ride of the Toer Pop. is uniquely serene as it’s the only proper roadster I have.

      • Thanks very much Peter. I know what you mean. I guess no one bike excels in all areas. I have a ‘city bike’ for around town and for groceries and so on, and I have a mountain bike. Which is perfect as an mtb but is definitely no ‘grand tourer’. So I tried converting it to a roadster by putting different handlebars on it that provide a more upright riding position.
        But still. Its like a compromise, I don’t think it will ever be a proper roadster.
        So now what? Either go in the complete opposite direction and get something like the Gazelle you reviewed, OR maybe a 25 inch hybrid?
        I can’t decide. After reading your excellent review of the Gazelle I am sure the kind of ride it provides is about spot on what I’d like. However a disadvantage to me is that I can’t do anything with it but ride it.
        With the mtb/hybrid I can at least change the tubes and tires. But I am NOT going to battle that Gazelle cloth chain protector that’s for sure!
        A derailleur bike is much easier in that area.
        But it picks up more dirt underway and needs more maintenance.
        And of course you can’t park it anywhere. Because in the Netherlands any bicycle with a derailleur screams “Nick Me!!”.
        So that is a big point to the Gazelle perhaps.
        I guess both have their pros and cons.
        Why can’t life be simpler sometimes? 😉

  64. To be honest Henk, the cloth chain guard is not that difficult to remove, there’s a stiff wire along the bottom that zigzags around a row of clips. Small punctures can be patched with wheels still on the bike. Only trouble with hybrids are those flat bars – uncomfortable over longer distances !
    But then, a lightweight bike has an advantage at times …

  65. In this video a young german man shows how the rear wheel of a Gazelle will be expanded as well as how to make a tube change.

  66. I like the way he pronounces the word ‘Gazelle’ 😉
    But seriously, I don’t think it’s as easy as he makes it out to be.
    Nonetheless I bookmarked these videos, after all you never know.
    I may still decide on a Gazelle Tour Populair ‘Grand Tourer’ 😀
    Thanks guys for posting these.

  67. I am looking into buying a Gazelle for my son. I’m Dutch, having lived though my whole life in the U.S., and my son, Dirk, loves the Dutch bikes as they allow him to sit upright and accommodate his long legs. He’s almost 6’3″ with 36″ legs, and the Gazelle website suggests the 61cm frame, but wondering if I should get a 66 cm frame instead based on what several of you have said about your legs hitting the steering wheel. He needs 8 speeds as he will use this at the University of Maryland as well as home and we have hills. Does anyone know of any US retailers of the Gazelle on the East Coast? Also, I was recently in Amsterdam and my cousins all suggested that I *not* buy the men’s version as it’s actually easier for getting on and off and becoming more common for men to ride the women’s version because of that, though I do no think the Gazelle comes in 61 cm or 66 cm in the women’s style. Any guidance will be helpful.

    Ingrid

    • Nothing wrong with males riding a step through – they are more common here in Australia than the ‘men’s’. Any of you six foot plus people have suggestions re: 61 vs 66cm ? I would guess 66. Anyone on the U.S. east coast also, re: retailers ?
      Thanks, Peter.

      • Hi Ingrid, If you scroll back to 2014 you’ll locate some of my comments in reference to my ‘tall’ issues and my 66cm Gazelle T8..In February 2014 I mentioned that my dealer would swap out the stock T8 stem for a T3 stem and handlebars which could be adjusted up or down. This made a big difference but to be totally honest, I am still not completely comfortable on this bike. I am just too tall and my feet are too big to really feel roomy enough on it. As a result, I’ve only ridden this bike 3 times since buying it. It has remained hanging on the wall of my dining room since my purchase. It is beautiful and it’s in mint showroom condition.I regularly detail it and then just look at it. I would suggest that your son test ride both a 61cm & 66cm before plunking down the money to buy one. Be certain that he is comfortable and able to maneuver properly .

      • While a lot of men in Holland do ride the female bikes, this is mainly because teenage boys were bought the smaller frames for getting to and from school etc. They still have and use these tough bikes many years later, though many will swap to the mens bikes when they next buy a bike.

        The riding position is more upright on the female bikes because the saddle is closer to the handlebars, which some prefer.

        As men don’t tend to wear skirts, the top tube is not an issue. The top tube however increases frame rigidity, which also makes it stronger. The female bikes have more flexibility in the frame. I can sense this when I ride my wife’s Batavus Old Dutch. (Gazelle’s main rival)

        It might have something to do with men being generally heavier and putting more force through the frame when cycling.

        The Dutch sell a lot of mens bikes, which suggests that the female version is not the answer for everyone.

  68. Thanks for your feedback. My son probably couldn’t ride the female (step-through) version as he definitely needs to have at least the 61cm bike and the women’s don’t go up to that. We just tried out a Handsome Devil, for size, and that was a 60 cm. The bike shop owner, who thought I was exaggerating about my son’s long legs when I visited him earlier in the week to make inquiries, was quite taken aback to find that I was right. He even made a comment to the effect of “he needs 60 cm, at least”. He’s only 1.85m, but he’s all legs! We hope to check out a store in Washington DC that carries the Gazelle, but he my son is concerned that the bike will get stolen on campus and Dutch bikes just aren’t cheap. It’s too bad they don’t make the Hollandia bikes in a 7- or 8-speed. I only find the Opafiets (single speed). The cost of these are definitely lower. Lou, I like your comment about the handlebars. That is truly the main issue. If we could find handlebars that allow him to sit upright and not have to lean over, that would be ideal.
    Thanks again everyone! Greatly appreciate reading your comments.

  69. Dutch bikes are not really expensive. Yes compared to budget sub £100 ($150) they can appear expensive, but compared to any decent bikes they tend to be middle of the road. For what you get for your money though, I feel that they are excellent value for money. After all they are built to last and should still be going decades later. How many years can you reasonably expect to get from a budget bike? 2, 3 or 4 years perhaps! False economy.

    They are also fitted with integral locks that easily secures the back wheel, plus the Gazelle Toer Populair also comes with an optional rope lock that fits into the same lock under the saddle, meaning it can be easily secured to any lamp post or fence railing.

    Furthermore, because Dutch Bikes are quite rare in the UK, they stand out easily making them less attractive to thieves tempted to sell them on locally.

    Then there is theft insurance for further peace of mind. Mine comes with my house insurance.

    As long as your son uses the locks provided, there is a good chance that he will be fine and the insurance is there as back up.

    Holland is the cycling capital of the world and the two number one Dutch bike manufacturers are Batavus and Gazelle. Need I say more? 😉

  70. I agree with Lou and Chris, better get the 66cm, both in terms of handlebar clearance and because you said your son ‘is all legs’ .
    These two considerations really make this a no brainer.

    The one thing I don’t necessarily agree with is the statement that bikes that stand out won’t get stolen as much. I think it’s the exact opposite to be honest.
    So make sure your son locks the bike like he is in the Netherlands, that is lock it to a rail, a post or some other earthbound object. And use the ringlock as well.
    That way he’ll enjoy the ‘built to last’ feature of the bike, and it will save you a bunch of bike thefts as well.

    Don’t use a cable-in or chain-in lock that locks in with the ring lock.
    A thief would only have to break the ring lock and it’s bye bye bike.
    Use a separate chain lock instead. And also use the ring lock as well.
    This way you serve the thief a dual challenge instead of a single one.
    I live in the Netherlands, more bikes get stolen then are sold here!
    So be smart about it and protect your bicycle.

    Cheers,
    Henk

  71. In Amsterdam the bicycle theft rate is very high compared to anywhere else in the world. Bicycles are owned by nearly everyone and are used as a major mode of transportation. Many people who use the their bicycle for city use intentionally own the “junkiest” bicycle they can. Thieves aggressively target anything that’s decent. And they have numerous ingenious, quick ways of opening all locks. The more expensive the bicycle the higher the risk. There’s a well established market for stolen bicycles there. So yes, in some places, the more expensive bicycles are at a greater risk for being stolen, locked or not.

    A professional bike thief will get any bike, so ultimately take out bike insurance.

    I agree that multiple locks make a good deterrent and secured to something secured to the ground. Even here you need to be careful. Thin wire bike racks or fence railings can be easily hacksawed open. Small trees can be sawn in seconds with a good any tree saw.

    Cheap chain locks can be opened in less than 5-seconds and solid D-locks can be destroyed with a small hydraulic bottle jack.

    I tend to park my bike in town in a pedestrian only area in front of a busy coffee shop. That way a thief with a van cannot pull up next to the bike, cut the locks and take the bike away in the van. A thief will also be concerned that the bike owner is sitting in the coffee shop watching the bike!

    I am never really relaxed when I leave the bike unattended, but I do what I can to reduce any risks of theft.

  72. Unfortunately the picture Chris paints doesn’t just apply to the (big) cities anymore. You have to secure your bicycle like I mentioned in my last post in any city or town now. I don’t know how things are in Maryland, but I suppose it’s better to be safe than sorry, wherever you are.

    • After an exhaustive search, we finally bought a bike modeled after the Dutch ones by the Brooklyn Bike Company. My son said, “it’s the best bike he’s ridden in the U.S.” It wasn’t too costly and we have taken out renter’s insurance, but plan to get a very good U lock and chain, and hope for the best. I, too, bought a Brooklyn model and am very impressed with it. Mine was as expensive as some of the Dutch bikes I saw while there in May, as well as lighter in weight. That’s not a bad thing. I’m impressed with the customer service of the company and bought it at Gravel & Grind in Frederick, Maryland. They make an amazing cup of coffee! Hence the “grind” part of their name.

      So…any recommendations on U locks? Abus? Kryptonite?

      • This is a good website on choosing locks: http://thebestbikelock.com/

        I’ve got the Onguard Brute which cost a very reasonable £20 from Amazon. A good D lock used correctly plus the wheel lock in a non removable sensible position is enough to dissuade the chancer thief with bolt cutters or a jack in my opinion. Not enough for one with professional tools but then nothing is going to help you then I guess.

        I just purchased a second hand 7 year old 61cm model and love it. It’s the three speed rod brake version but sadly with black tyres, Lepper non-leather seat and fixed handlebars.

  73. Congratulations on your Tour Populair Peter!
    The ‘sadly’ black tyres may not look as ‘trendy’ as the cream ones but they may be better. As a matter of fact I found out that the cream Schwalbe tyres Gazelle put on this bike are not that great at all.
    If you check Schwalbe’s website you’ll see that no cream colored tyre has a puncture protection of more than 3 out of 6.
    In fact I had already decided for myself that if I am going to get a Tour Populair the very first thing I am going to do is exchange the crappy cream tyres for Schwalbe Marathon Plus tyres. Yes those are black, but I feel that any touring bicycle should at least be equipped with tough tyres, tyres with the highest puncture resistance. Especially a bike that doesn’t make it that easy to change a tyre!
    Talking about Lepper saddles, a couple of months ago I put a Lepper N90 ‘Drieveer’ on my current bike, and I really like it. It’s the Lepper equivalent of the Brooks B33. So if you’re looking to upgrade your Tour Populair saddle this one is really a winner. It looks great on this style of bike as well.

    Greetings,
    Henk

    • Thanks for the saddle advice Henk, I will have a look at the Leppers. Also the original tyres on my Gazelle were Vredestein “Classic” cream tyres. I don’t think they have any protection either, but the dealer did put “slime” in them for me. So far I’ve been lucky with only one puncture ! The Vredestein sidewalls crack fairly easily but they are still going OK – the rear is wearing very much faster than the front. The Schwalbe Marathons would be a good idea too.
      Regards,
      Peter

  74. There is not much I would want (read: need) to upgrade on a Gazelle Tour Populair.
    However…, to put a Brooks B67S on a men’s bicycle is just plain stupid.
    A man’s anatomy is not compatible with such a short saddle, plain and simple.
    (if you don’t believe me go ahead, you’ll find out…)
    This bicycle should be ridden enjoying a Brooks B66/67 men’s size (i.e. not the S version), or better yet a Brooks B33, Brooks B190, Lepper N90 Drieveer, or ideally, a Lepper L85 ‘Hammock’. That one would look absolutely awesome on this bike.

    Second upgrade would be the tires.
    Cream or ‘skinwall’ tires may look trendy and cool, but quality wise they are crap.
    Even Schwalbe has little faith in their own tires’ capability to serve you well on your tours.
    As they ‘award’ them no more of 3 points on puncture protection on their scale of 0 to 6. Same sort of thing goes for durability.
    Do yourself a favor and exchange (or have them exchanged) for Marathon Supreme, Marathon Plus, or at least Marathon tires.

  75. Today I picked up my new Gazelle Tour Populair!
    It’s a 2014 N8.
    I am very excited, because it has not been easy to find the one I wanted (an N8).

    The bike already looks great as is, but I put my Lepper saddle on it (the one that looks like a Brooks B33) and now it looks really amazing.
    I’m also going to install a pair of leather grips in the same brown color as the saddle. Then it will look absolutely fantastic.

    One thing I found very strange: the left and right brake levers were reversed!
    Normally the left brake lever operates the front brake and the right one the rear. But it was the other way around on this one!
    I had never seen this before, on any bike.
    The salesman said this sometimes happens on export models.
    Now I had seen this 2014 version advertised as ‘USA model’ somewhere.
    Does anybody recognize this phenomenon?
    Is this standard operating procedure in your country?
    Or is this just a feature of this particular model bike?

    I was glad I noticed it in time, and had it ‘reversed’, so as not to get into dangerous situations.
    So now to me the levers operate the correct brakes.

    I look forward to your reactions on this, and of course I’ll report back after my first ride(s). Today I greased every nut and bolt that needed greasing and I am planning on taking the bike out tomorrow.

    Cheers,

    Henk

    • I have always know the right brake lever to operate on the front wheel.
      I think it comes from the motorcycle world as the left hand lever operates the clutch and the rear wheel is braked by a foot operated brake pedal by your right foot.
      Your primary brake should always be your front wheel with 60/40 brake pressure ratio in favour of the front wheel.
      Switching this around could cause alot of accidents here in the uk as you naturally use your right lever first when braking!

    • Congrats Henk, sounds great ! Not sure about the U.S., but my Toerpop bought new here in Australia has front brake right side – I think left side front is a European thing …
      Cheers,
      Peter !

      • Just checked my British Raleigh, French Puch, my British bought Dahon, my wife’s vintage Dutch Cyrus and her nearly new Dutch Batavus bike and all bikes have the right lever operating the front wheel so I’m fairly sure it is not a European thing.

        It could of course been assembled incorrectly by the young apprentice!

  76. Thanks guys, the motorcycle thing could make sense, and the rear-break-right-lever being a European thing could also be true.
    That would also explain the ‘export version’ theory the bike shop guy mentioned, and why I never came across the ‘reversed’ (motorcycle-) set up before.

    Anyways I had planned on changing the tires first but I could not resist taking my new bike for a spin today, and I must say it rides exactly as I thought it would. Very upright and relaxed indeed.
    I may fiddle around a bit with saddle and handlebar positions but all in all the Tour Populair seems to provide the ride I was hoping for!

    I always thought the riding position on my Giant Tourer Lite city bike was upright.
    Until today! The Gazelle takes sitting upright to the extreme.
    It actually takes a bit of getting used to, but I like it already.

    I am also very happy I exchanged saddles between the two bikes.
    I remember earlier reading a question somebody posted here, asking if a Brooks B33 would be comfortable and if it would be a good choice on a Tour Populair.
    If anybody is wondering about this too, the answer is a big fat YES!!!
    This style of saddle is really meant for upright sitting, even more so than I realized.
    The Lepper N90 and the Gazelle Tour Populair are a match made in heaven.
    As the Brooks B33 is practically the same saddle I expect the same goes for it too.

    I also remember some comments about the knees hitting the handlebars, and I am having the same trouble too. Since the stem has a bolt clamp I can change out the handlebars for ones with slightly bent handles/grips.
    Afraid though that it would diminish the classic old school look, but at least it’s an option.
    I really hope it’s just a matter of getting used to.

    Next steps: some leather grips, matching the color of the saddle.
    And putting on Schwalbe Marathon (/Plus) tires.
    Soon for sale: 2 cream CTS tires, used only once! (I hope) 😉

    Cheers all.

    Henk

  77. Henk, I raised my handlebars slightly to reduce the risk of hitting them with my knees. Still happens every now and then though.

    Corners while pedaling is the bit to watch out for. I tend to stop pedaling until I straighten up, but yes not ideal.

  78. Yes I noticed that too. I must say going round corners in general is much nicer on a 65 degree bike, but I almost ended up in a canal a couple times today because my knees “steered” me wrong way!

    I thought about raising the handlebars at first, but as it is my arms are bent already right now, sitting completely upright.
    Raising the handlebars even higher I think I would loose a bit of the feeling of being in control of the bike, it would feel unnatural.
    Plus it would look a bit weird I’m afraid.

    I think I’m going to take your advice and stop pedaling in corners as you suggested. Also I found ‘hugging’ the top tube with your legs helps to some degree, but it’s still a challenge sometimes.
    I’d really hate to have to change out the handlebars so I’ll give it some time.

    So far I love this bike, the knee issue I hope is a matter of getting used to.

    Henk

  79. Hoping to help other enthusiasts who may be considering getting a Gazelle Tour Populair;

    About the weight (concerns):

    I remember concerns being uttered on not having enough weight on the front end for steady and stable enough cornering.
    I can put your minds at ease on that one, I pulled this 23.7 kilo (52.25 lbs) beast up and down two flights of stairs and noticed a pretty hefty front end, so you need not worry about that.
    Riding the bike I noticed no skittish or nervous steering at all.
    Not even at speed.

    Gearing:

    Speaking of speed, this behemoth accelerates better than I expected.
    Of course the crisp and quick shifting 8 speed Nexus hub and somewhat low gearing helps with that.
    I find the overall gearing to be a bit on the low side.
    The first two gears are ridiculously low, but 7 and 8 are sufficiently high for most of your every day ‘down hill’ situations.
    If you are planning on getting one of these bikes I can really recommend the 8 speed version. Whether you like fast pedaling or slower pedaling.
    With the number and total reach of the 8 gears you can always find the right gear for every situation.
    As a side note; if you can’t find an 8 speed try to source a Nexus-7 version.
    I have been riding a Nexus-7 city bike from 2001 on, and it’s still going great. This hub will serve you very well in a Tour Populair as well.

    Specs and measurements:

    Since I had a very hard time in finding any specs on the Tour Populair I thought I’d post a few I measured myself, hopefully this will help other enthusiasts who are considering getting a Gazelle Tour Populair.
    These are from the 66 cm 2014 bike;

    Horizontal top tube: 60 cm,
    Head tube: 23.5 cm,
    Seat tube: exactly 66 cm,
    Seat tube angle: 65 degrees
    Wheelbase: 114 cm,
    Total length of the bicycle: 190 cm,
    Rear carrier: 44 x 16 cm
    Weight: 23.7 kg
    Front and rear light both powered by hub dynamo
    Saddle: Brooks B67 (not B67-S) Aged.
    XL bike stand.
    Stem with bolt clamp (adjustable handlebars!)

    Henk

  80. Since Gazelle equipped my Tour Populair with Cheng Shin Tire (CST) “Classic” tires, sporting puncture protection 1 (on their scale from 1 to 7), I immediately replaced those with Schwalbe Marathons.

    Those add a little weight to the bike, which is noticeable when steering, but give me the reassurance of a whole lot better puncture protection when I am touring.
    I also replaced the thin flimsy tubes with Conti Hermetic Plus tubes, which are made of way thicker rubber.
    I already encountered some broken glass on three occasions that I noticed too late to avoid, and, knock on wood, I was able to ride on unharmed.

    Also my new tubes have Presta / Sclaverand valves, which allow me to monitor inflation pressure very easily (standard valves are Dunlop) using my pressure gauge foot pump.

    For some strange reason my bike was not equipped with a rear light bumper guard, so I asked my LBS to order one from Gazelle.
    I put it on today and now the bike looks the part!

    After a few rides the gears were all over the place!
    I think I managed to sort them out, the yellow marks line up pretty decently now.
    I realize things are still in the phase of settling in.
    Yet I hope the gears will behave from now on.

    Cheers all.

  81. 17-feb-2017 Gears are still behaving well since the october 2016 adjustment.
    Checked all the nuts and bolts as well as the spoke tension.
    Haven’t been riding the Tour Populair for a while now (because of the snow and salt), so I can’t wait for spring, and to ride the venerable Tour Populair again!

  82. /sigh

    Got hit by a Land Rover a few weeks back on a roundabout and apart from a few bumps, aches and scrapes I was okay thankfully.

    My Tour Populair however isn’t 😥

    Front wheel mangled, handlebar bent, forks bent, seat bent, crank bent, coatguards broken and key sheared off in the wheel lock. I’m sure the rear racks leaning to one side now and not sure of any damage in those parts not seen (chain, gears and brakes).

    Gutted I am.

    LBS says it can be fixed for £250/300 which is going to be covered by insurance but I’m still not sure whether to repair or get a new one. My model’s the 3 speed rod operated drum brakes with bottle dynamo. The available one now is 8 speed hub dynamo lever operated but at £650 isn’t that much more.

  83. Ouch! Judging by the damage I think you are lucky to walk away with just a few bruises! 😮

    My reason for buying the same 3-speed model as yourself was the originality of the design, the rod brakes etc. Going for one of the other models might help with rideability, but it steps away from tradition. In my opinion of course.

  84. Does anyone here know if a steering lock can be fitted to a man’s Tour Populair? I acquired a beautiful secondhand T7 over a year ago; it’s a magnificent bike, and came fitted with a heavy-duty front carrier and crate. Along with a pannier on the back rack, I use the bike to transport large quantities of food shopping. The one accessory I would love is a steering lock (like on Dutch cargo bikes) to stop the front wheel tipping when the crate is loaded. Is this modification possible?

    Quick note to Henk (thanks for your posts; very useful information on tyre types, etc.): my T7 had originally been imported from the Netherlands, and has a coaster brake on the rear wheel, and a roller on the front. The lever for the roller is on the right-hand side of my handlebars.

  85. @Peter; I certainly hope you’ve recovered from that most unfortunate accident!
    How did it turn out with your insurance and the replacement of your bike?
    You mentioned the 8 speed as a possible replacement.
    From experience I can really recommend the 8 speed as it offers gears for every imaginable situation. The 8 speed Nexus hub makes the bike so much more versatile and practical.

    @PBJ58; As long as I ride bikes I am used to operating the rear brake with my right hand so anything else is weird to me. I had the brake operation on my Gazelle Tour Populair changed so the right lever would operate the rear brake.But, as discussed earlier, this apparently differs from one country to another. So I guess it may be a matter of preference.

  86. I have a Gazelle T8 oma on order right now. Should have it in my possession in about a week’s time. Really excited. I have my fast bikes, this will be a commuter/grocery getter. It’s not too hilly here, I think I can manage just fine on the t8, may just require a bit more effort than other bikes given the weight. I think if nothing else the bike will make me enjoy the commute to work and take my time, because when I am on the other bikes I’m trying to haul a$$.. My commuter is about 2.5miles one way, so this will be perfect.

  87. I would also like a suggestion (and where to get) a front rack for the Populair? Or a set of panniers? I want to be able to bring my work bag with a 15″ laptop easily, as well as have cargo space for groceries and etc.

  88. @Henk, thanks for asking.

    The insurance came through with an interim payment for replacement bike so I picked up the 8 speed Nexus model from the lovely people at Flying Dutchman Bikes in London a couple of months back.

    There are some things I prefer over this newer one such as the brakes and hub dynamo front and rear lights but other’s I don’t such as the rear rack being smaller, the tyres and other bits and pieces on the bike where they’ve trimmed costs back for the 2017 model. The vast improvement in the brakes on the new one though trumps all these.

    Strangely I’m missing the simplicity of three speeds. I find myself starting in third and then clicking through two gears at a time. The first two gears on the eight speed model though help a lot getting up the fairly steep and long hill just before I get to work.

    I’m going to replace the leather grips too with the cork ones I salvaged off my old bike. The bike shop swapped out the front light with one with a standlight (very strange the export model doesn’t have this as a standard) and I’m not sold on the Brooks saddle yet.

    Still a lovely bike though and whilst I’m still outnumbered by the roadies commuting to work I am seeing more and more upright utility cycles around so the tide may be turning, at least around South West London.

  89. @igor What did you go for in the end? I haven’t got either and use Simson lashing straps attached to the axle and just stick my bag on the rack.

  90. @Peter Good to hear they finally did something about those crappy brakes.
    Maybe I can have mine upgraded to those on the 2017 model.
    The ones on my 2014 model are outright dangerous!
    An emergency stop is out of the question. It’s simply not an option.

    You’ll get used to the eight gears. I can imagine it’s a bit of an adjustment if you’re coming from a three speed.
    But I figure it’s better to have them and not need them (all the time) then to not have them and then need them. Even if it’s not every day.

    I think in time you’ll appreciate the smaller steps in the gear range as well.
    I found I like using 3, 4, 5, and 6 on this bike better than the three speeds I had before.

  91. I also found another ‘opportunity for improvement’ for Gazelle.
    Maybe some of you recognize this, maybe not.

    Because of the significantly higher ground clearance of the bottom bracket on this bike after a while I noticed I was sitting too low.
    Not from the ground, but the distance between my saddle and my pedals was a bit too short.
    In the pedal’s high position my knee was bent less than the minimum 90 degrees

    Unfortunately Gazelle installed a rather short seatpost on the Tour Populair.
    And as I expected it was already in it’s highest allowed position.
    Luckily saturday I (finally) found a longer seatpost at a semi local bike shop, and I installed it today.
    A big improvement.
    I have not had the opportunity to make a real testdrive yet and so I’m kind of wondering if I’ll still be able to touch the ground with my foot when I have to stop for a red light…
    I assume the pedaling will be greatly improved now though 🙂

  92. A quick update. The longer seat post proves to be a huge improvement over the stock one. It allows for a WAY better ride!
    I had been riding the Tour Populair sitting way too low.
    If you are 6’4″ or taller I really recommend you get a longer seat post for your Tour Populair. Because of the bottom bracket ground clearance.
    The 26.1 mm diameter proved hard to find where I live but the 26 mm works perfectly I found.

    @Peter I read your comment on not being sure about the stock Brooks saddle.
    My two cents: treat yourself to a Lepper N90 “Drieveer” (drieveer means three springs, two in the back, one in the front).
    It’s smooth and comfortable from the get go (no hard springs like a new Brooks), and your Tour Populair looks awesome with it!

    Cheers all.

  93. Great site, my compliments ! I’m a guy and in the process of ordering a Tour Populair T8, the female model only available in 51 and 57cm. Based on what I just read I’m confused what frame to choose. I measure 1.72cm and my inner leg measures 78cm. Be very happy to have your advice as I cannot test drive this bike. Should I go for the 51 or 57cm?

    • Hi Peter, I would go for the 57cm personally. The 57cm should give a little more reach and there are, of course, no stand-over height issues with the Oma version. I have the 57cm version and am 179cms. The seat post has plenty of room to go lower on mine, were it necessary. I would be interested to hear other readers opinions.

  94. Thanks Peter, I made a mistake, my inner leg measures 83cm so I guess it would have to be the 57cm version. Other comments still welcome though.

    • Hi Peter, Petermc sums it up nicely. There are less sizing issues with the female version as the horizontal crossbar found on the male version is not present to cause problems when stopping and putting your feet down.
      You are tall enough to warrant buying the biggest female frame available too.
      In Holland, all teenagers tend to have the female versions including boys because there are no sizing issues. While we are calling it a female version, it is safe to say it is probably better to call them the unisex version and the male version as it is not unusual to see men riding both versions in Holland.
      BTW, I am currently on holiday in Holland as I type this.

  95. Thanks Chris. Another subject. What are effective ways to protect a Brooks saddle against theft. Love to have your comments.

  96. Hi! I own the same bike, just a newer model 2014, yes it is perfect to ride it and so easy to fell in love with! My wife also got a Gazelle, a classic female version, both bikes second and, but in a really good condition, mine was almost never used, so it didn’t look used when I got it, although my wife’s has a little bit of rust on the handlebars, the previous owner bought it for his daughter but she never use it! So the bike is completely new, but has that small rust, any ideas of how o get that rust away? I checked on the internet, though, and they recommend to use aluminium foil + water or Coke, but I’m not sure if that will also compromise the handlebar and make the rust re-appear, and also, once the rust is gone, any recommendation on how to prevent rust to re-appear?

    Thanks for your time.

    Roger.

    • Hi Roger,
      Everyone has their own ideas and it depends on the type and degree of rust. I use very fine steel wool on mild surface rust though many people people swear by the al-foil. If the rust is heavier I may use rust converter ( phosphoric acid ) from the hardware store. If you use and clean the bike regularly, and apply a good wax to it occasionally, then most rust can be kept at bay.

  97. Hi petermc,

    Just picked up my GTP. Read your comments about the front light “Lumotec front light powered by a Shimano front hub dynamo. There is an easy to reach 3 position toggle switch on the rear of the headlight nacelle for off, auto, and on. I only just discovered the auto setting today ! It seems to switch both lights on and off according to the ambient light level.”
    My question: Where would I find the Auto position, is it somewhere in the middle? Thanks.
    BTW: Strange that there is no documentation on this.

  98. Enjoying my Gazelle Toer Populair this summer as I am sure you guys are.
    It is such a great tourer! The upright sitting position (so you enjoy the landscape instead of the asphalt), and the weight (this bike is the limousine of bicycles).
    This bike keeps amazing me!
    Just back from a 30+ km ride all around and through Utrecht and surrounding areas. Loving the cityscape and the surrounding more rural views.
    This is what makes the Toer Populair such a great bicycle, it makes it so easy to take it all in. I am never letting go of this one!

  99. Hi there,

    Was wondering if you could give me any advice on how you’d go about adjusting the gears on the Tour Populaire.

    I have a second hand one that provides a very smooth and stylish ride on the flat terrain of Rye Harbour, East Sussex, UK – being coastal there are strong winds to contend with but the 7 speeds cope well with this normally. I took the bike for tyre replacements at a local bike (they’d not worked on a Gazelle before) shop and they did the job but on returning home I discovered the gears seem to be set in a very high gear and respond little or not at all to gear changes. I don’t have a user manual and as I think you mentioned earlier there’s a very general users guide but with little step by step instruction on how to do stuff with specific makes and models. I’d be very grateful if you could cast any light on how to attempt to get the gears back to how they should be!
    Many thanks indeed!

    Amanda, Rye Harbour

    • Hi Amanda, it’s a bit hard without seeing it, but the flexible chain case lifts up at the back with a press stud, and there is a twisty wire that releases the rest of the case underneath if you need to. The yellow lines on the hub cassette need to match each other when the bike is in 4th gear, assuming all the cables have been hooked up by the shop as they should. I would recommend that you search youtube using “adjusting Shimano Nexus 7 or 8 speed hubs” or similar, so you can watch as you go. Or return it to the shop …
      Peter.

      • Youtube is definitely your friend if you need to do it yourself (e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk-FNc-NPHM), but the gears on the Gazelle are a pretty standard affair (I’m assuming you have a Shimano Nexus 7). Any half-decent bike shop should be able to service it, and return it properly tuned after any work. As Peter said, all they need to do is make sure 2 little yellow lines are aligned – hardly rocket science. I’d start by going back to the shop, if you can.

  100. Thankyou very much for the suggestions both of you. Yes, I was hoping to avoid taking it back to the shop as I’m trying to minimise driving about at the moment. The gears are actually SRAM s7. I will do a bit more searching – as you say YouTube is brilliant. Thanks a lot for your input anyway!!

  101. SRAM gears on a Gazelle Toer Populair? Stop it !
    Have they lost it completely?
    Still any half decent bike shop should be able to service or adjust this gearbox if you’re not able to do so yourself. Did you find any useful youtube vids on sorting out the SRAM S7?

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